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$99 million 'jobs bond' meets GOP resistance
By Susan M. Cover scover@mainetoday.com
MaineToday Media State House Writer
AUGUSTA -- Democratic leaders unveiled a new plan Tuesday to borrow $99 million to pay for road and bridge work, water and sewer repairs, energy efficiency grants for schools, and railroad improvements.
Senate President Elizabeth Mitchell, left, listens as Speaker of the House Hannah Pingree speaks during a news conference Tuesday at the State House in Augusta announcing a proposed bond package for the June election.
Staff photo by Joe Phelan
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Calling it a "jobs bond," the Democrats said it's the latest attempt by the state to spur economic growth in light of the lingering affects of the recession.
Republicans aren't sold on the idea, but say they are willing to discuss the possibilities.
Senate President Elizabeth Mitchell, D-Vassalboro -- a gubernatorial candidate -- said the recession that began 18 months ago "kicked off a domino effect" that's made it difficult to recover.
"Across Maine, tens of thousands of people have faced the reality of a tough recession and they want to talk about jobs," she said at a news conference in the State House Hall of Flags.
The announcement of the plan details caught Republicans by surprise, said Assistant Senate Minority Leader Jonathan Courtney, R-Springvale.
He said while there had been some general discussion about bonds in recent weeks, they had not seen any details until Tuesday.
"I think we really need to digest what they are proposing," he said.
Conservatives outside the State House were less diplomatic. The Maine Heritage Policy Center, a conservative think tank in Portland, said the plan would "bury Maine families underneath a greater mountain of public debt."
"At a time when Maine families and small businesses are struggling to stay afloat, Ms. Mitchell wants to further burden our entrepreneurs and future generations with higher debt," said Tarren Bragdon, chief executive officer for the policy center.
Republican support is necessary because bond proposals require approval of two-thirds of the Legislature.
Gov. John Baldacci has been focused on the budget, but is reviewing projects for a possible bond package proposal of his own that would be released next week, said his spokesman, David Farmer.
Tuesday's $99 million proposal from Democratic leaders includes:
* $47.5 million for highway reconstruction projects;
* $20 million to purchase the Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway;
* $5 million for passenger rail service in the Lewiston-Auburn area;
* $20 million in competitive grants to improve energy efficiency in schools; and
* $6.7 million for waste-water and drinking water upgrades.
The proposed purchase of the railway is in response to a notice filed earlier this year with federal officials that Montreal, Maine & Atlantic plans to abandon 233 miles of track from Madawaska to Millinocket. Service could end as soon as this summer if the state does not intervene, according to the Associated Press.
Legislators from northern Maine said keeping the railroad running is essential to preserving jobs and helping heavy industries transport lumber, wood chips and heating fuels.
"It is imperative that we maintain these tracks," said Rep. Ken Theriault, D-Madawaska. "Many businesses would lose their competitive edge if they are not able to receive and ship via rail."
When it comes to road and bridge money, Tim Ouellette of CPM Constructors, of Freeport, said unemployment in the construction industry is near 30 percent in Maine and that additional state bond funds would give them a boost this summer and fall.
"We just recently advertised for a couple of carpenter positions on a bridge in southern Maine and we got over 200 applications," he said. "There's people ready to work, looking to work."
In June 2009, lawmakers agreed on a $150 million bond package to be sent out to voters in three installments. Voters approved a $71 million transportation bond in November 2009. Three other questions are already approved for the June ballot this year: $25 million to stimulate economic development; $33.5 million for weatherization and energy efficiency; and nearly $10.3 million for water and waste water improvements.
Mitchell said if the bond measure is passed through the Legislature, it would be up to lawmakers to convince voters to support all four bonds at referendum.
"It's incumbent on us to explain to voters that we can afford it, we are very responsible in our borrowing capacity," she said. "Frankly, it's something we can't afford not to do."
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60 COMMENTS
Jazz11 said...
I say why should we support people who will feed their families, pay their mortgages and clothe their children, heat their homes and buy merchandise. All this while repairing our roads and building schools, bridges and other necessities like FDR did. I believe in the Republican philosophy of Ebenezer, " Are there no "workhouses." I just do not understand why there are so many poor people, let them get out of the way of the R's with money. They should know their place and cease and decist this incessant racket about wanting more gruel. The so-called Republican think tank does not want to spend for the poor, only provide a continuation of the trillions in tax breaks for the wealthy. Any country that cannot care for their young, poor and elderly cannot care for their wealthy for very long. We are turning into a South American banana republic.
March 3, 2010 at 4:05 AM Report abuse
Conservative said...
What are the repayment terms? How much is the true cost of this borrowing? Here we go again adding to the state tax burden with no real explanation of how much this costs. It is not a jobs billas none of the jobs are sustainable in the long term. Where is the requirement that the companies winnig the bids are State of Maine based?
March 3, 2010 at 5:43 AM Report abuse
JonEBigTime said...
Over the last few years, I have lost all faith in the Maine legislature. Since little Pingree became Speaker of the House, I have completely given up. She is a young woman who has no experience and should not be a leader in Augusta- yet. Not in recent history have we had a more obvious display of nepotism. Until Pingree is removed from her position, I will not check off a box for one Democrat running for state office; they will only enable her and attempt to further her puppet career.
March 3, 2010 at 6:28 AM Report abuse
Govt2Big said...
This is a terrible idea that must get defeated. We must stop spending more than we can afford! Find part of the solution at www.MaineTaxpayers.com and get active in our state politics. We need some positive changes in Augusta!
March 3, 2010 at 6:39 AM Report abuse
stop said...
Jazz11, Please pull your head from you know where. Spending does not equall one perminent job.
March 3, 2010 at 7:23 AM Report abuse
cruisin said...
Why are we paying so much in excise taxes and gas taxes and all the other taxes if we are now going to take out a bond-loan? How about voting on building a nuclear power plant in northern Maine and one in Southern Maine. Clean, cheap safe energy is what we need. We need to stop burning fossil fuels for electricity. Businesses cannot afford the electricity bills now!
March 3, 2010 at 7:25 AM Report abuse
beerman said...
what mainers need to ask Libby & Hannah is why are we diverting money from DOT to Human services?? what is happening to all the tax money that is collected at the pump to fix the roads, bridges etc. its being diverted from what it was collected for to begin with to be used to prop up the welfare system and all the so called non-profit business's that the Liberals are so fond of. Stop diverting money from DOT, fix the roads and bridges and create a better business inviroment so that people can stand on their on 2 feet instead of depending on the goverment
March 3, 2010 at 7:26 AM Report abuse
Rap-ice said...
SO in addition to the trillion dollar Health CAre bill the federal dems will be jamming down our throats - we have our local "leaders" borrowing like mad. Great - where does it end? You can't dig yourself out of a hole. ALl the youth are leaving the state because the jobs aren't here. Why aren't they here? Because we have a group of legislators who constantly focus on programs and aid instead of bringing new business into the state. Newsflash - state programs and state payrolls do not introduce new money into Maine - they only serve to take money away from private enterprise. The only bright side is that the state legislators serves as a solid example to my kids on how NOT TO MANAGE THEIR FINANCES.
March 3, 2010 at 7:42 AM Report abuse
ProConserv said...
Throw Baldi's dirigo into the trash and use that money instead! If democrats want to spend for temporary jobs, get rid of one program that does no good and put that money to work somewhere else! Stop governing like pelosi, reid and obamacorn...IT DOES NOT WORK! NEVER...EVER...elect, trust or believe a democrat, liberal or progressive!
March 3, 2010 at 7:46 AM Report abuse
DeanBoy said...
More tax and spend democrat ideas. Must be pay as you go, not add taxes or interest to be the right thing to do.
March 3, 2010 at 8:03 AM Report abuse
IMPistov said...
What a nice picture of two of the three horsemen of the apocalypse. Hold onto your wallets.
March 3, 2010 at 8:05 AM Report abuse
RickD said...
All the Democrats can come up with is tax and spend, borrow and spend. Control of Augusta has been under the Democrat leadership for years, and Maine is now a first class welfare state. Instead of vacationland, our license plates should read welfareland. Lets keep sending these same people back to Augusta the next election, let them finish the job of flushing Maine down the toilet.
March 3, 2010 at 8:06 AM Report abuse
MeOverTaxed said...
the purpose of roads is not to create jobs its for transportation of commerce! Since the Dems have a Bank of China Credit Card, we should all be very scared!
March 3, 2010 at 8:25 AM Report abuse
caddyshack said...
What happpened to all the jobs that were promised from the bail out money? What makes people think this "bond" is going to create/keep more jobs? We need to attract more businesses to create jobs and we need current businesses to stay afloat to keep jobs. Borrowing more is not the solution.
March 3, 2010 at 8:37 AM Report abuse
Abetterplace said...
I for one would like to see a well researched, non-bias series reported in this Media source and that means S.Cover would not be the reporter. Where has the Road bond money (that Maine voters pass every time) and allocated (gas tax, etc.,) money for roads and bridges have gone over the past 10 years or so? was it misapproaited or is there a loop hole to reallocate the funds? Has our state broke the law? Has the money been used efficiently? (I know when I drive by a road or bridge job, I see many workers and so many $30,000. State pick up trucks overseeing the work of several. Do your job "Newspaper" investigate and stop the propagandizing. Make this media source legitimate!!
March 3, 2010 at 8:57 AM Report abuse
Since1710 said...
Another proposal from the blond teenager.
March 3, 2010 at 8:59 AM Report abuse
Sherman2 said...
How would you "R"s pay for these issues. Roads, Rails and effiecient shool buildings seem reasonable. We either pay it now or later. The gas tax should have been incresed at the same rate that oil products had risen. Aspault has tripled in cost, yet the gas tax increase has remained at a constant level. Another bond issue is a concern no doubt... but is there a better way? Doing nothing is exactly that doing nothing! The Roads are getting worse from one day to the next, this spring is going to push some roads to even worse conditions. The longer improvements are put off the more it will cost. Something needs to be done this Const. season!
March 3, 2010 at 9:02 AM Report abuse
Yankee_Biker said...
Every time the dims introduce a "Jobs Bond" we can be sure of two things. 1. No Jobs 2. More taxes
March 3, 2010 at 9:05 AM Report abuse
ProConserv said...
The solution to Maine's economic trouble is simple! Elect conservatives in November, initiate a complete independant audit of all state government agancies, make the results of this audit public, depending on what this audit shows-completely axe all government run agencies that are not producing the desired results! Axe dirigo! Theres a good start! also, intiate legislation that would repeal the excessive red tape and business taxes that small business has to endure! Strive for SMALL GOVERNMENT! Maine wants to be the first in everything, well lets lead the Nation in tax reform and employment, not welfare and unemployment!
March 3, 2010 at 9:14 AM Report abuse
reader said...
pinegree has aged some since i saw a photo of her last.....you can see the gray hair coming in,gray hair grows exponentially....also she may want to pick up some olay regenerist with hair dye at Wel*fare Mart
March 3, 2010 at 9:22 AM Report abuse
wollydevil said...
Sherman2 I believe right now the Maine gas tax is 28.4 cents a gallon an the diesel tax is 32.3 a gallon. Most gas pumps has that info on them.
March 3, 2010 at 9:22 AM Report abuse
Sherman2 said...
I know what the tax is... It's that when the price of fuel went up (as asphault did) the tax did not keep pace with that inflation, inflation that emtpied DOT coffers, and still does! The price of paving went up exponetially whereas the funding through gas tax did not. Political suicide to raise the tax... ...and now DOT has no money to pay for a fraction of what it used to be able to do before the price hikes. And then combine that with people driving less, which means even less income. And here we are.
March 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM Report abuse
Aiden said...
Why bother to elect government representatives? We can just all vote on bond issues every June. The only change I see is fewer bucks in my paycheck, cuts in benefits and more taxes. If the SOM has a +400 million dollar deficit how can any rational person argue for going into more debt by requesting bond issues?
March 3, 2010 at 10:01 AM Report abuse
Rap-ice said...
Maine's gasoline tax stands at 29.9 cents per gallon and ranks 15th highest nationally. Maine Property Taxes among Nation's Highest Maine's State/Local Tax Burden Above National Average During the past two decades Maine has consistently had one of the highest state and local tax burdens. Maine's 2010 Business Tax Climate Ranks 34th. Way to go legislators!!!!
March 3, 2010 at 10:14 AM Report abuse
Sherman2 said...
It seems like this new site lost another of my messages.... maybe a good thing! But to repeat it... if your car gets 20 mpg, and the tax is 28.4 cents you are paying 1.4 cents permile to use state roads, I think paying 3 cents a mile is still not too much for rut free pothole free roads.. maybe even a nickel per mile!
March 3, 2010 at 10:15 AM Report abuse
ProConserv said...
Sherman2...go ahead and send your extra money to the Maine Department of Revenue. They appreciate your extra contribution comrade!
March 3, 2010 at 10:22 AM Report abuse
Sherman2 said...
Rap-ice, it's like measuing apples and oranges! Many states have more people contributing to their highway funds and many of those same states have mild winters (if any). Maine has few people and a lot of miles of roads that are ravaged by seasonal weather conditions! I will bet the states above us in cost are rural nothern tier states that have the same issues we do. Fewer residents and a long way to go between them! It's just not fair, nor correct to measure Maine DOT against Arizona DOT in costs.
March 3, 2010 at 10:23 AM Report abuse
Sherman2 said...
Procaon...So is 1.4 cents per mile too much to pay? What do YOU think is fair? Free? Another entitlement? That's socialism!!! To pay for what you use IS capitalism my little neocon friend! PRIVATISE the road systems (I DOUBLE DAWG DARE YAH!)and then see what it costs you! LOL!
March 3, 2010 at 10:27 AM Report abuse
ProConserv said...
So Sherm...To meet the Obama administration’s targets for cutting greenhouse gas emissions, some researchers say, Americans may have to experience a sobering reality: gas at $7 a gallon. So i would bet you would put your support behing that as well!
March 3, 2010 at 10:29 AM Report abuse
Rap-ice said...
Sherman2 - Actually it's apples to apples: CA .39 CT .36 FL .34 HI .33 IL .33 MI .30 NV .33 NY .42 PA .32 WA .37 WV .32 Not all are "rural northern tier states" convenient assumption though...
March 3, 2010 at 10:38 AM Report abuse
Sherman2 said...
Procon: $7 would kill this economy..TOTALLY! Our Roads will get worse. RapIce: Ok... do you have a solution? AND MAYBE! just maybe.. some of the gas tax is getting siphoned off for other things, which should be illegal.
March 3, 2010 at 10:53 AM Report abuse
Sherman2 said...
maybe the Texas approach!? “We need to think differently about how we fund transportation,” Texas Transportation Commission Chairwoman Deirdre Delisi said at a Texas Taxpayers and Research Association forum in November. Delisi said the vehicle-miles-traveled tax idea is controversial, but should be discussed because revenue from the state's main source of transportation funding, the motor fuels tax, is declining.
March 3, 2010 at 11:01 AM Report abuse
goodone said...
Dems have been touting the jobs shell game since day one of the Obummer administration, and we have seen the jobless rate skyrocket! Might I suggest that the liberals at the state house try fixing the current budget problems before taking on any new debt. I think what is needed is a spending freeze! Also it might be a good idea to actually use the revenue collected via excise tax, gas tax, tolls, and even the famed stimulus and other fees that are forced uppon us to actually be used for these programs.
March 3, 2010 at 11:05 AM Report abuse
Jon said...
primarily, routine "I can't think" comments of the loonie fringe that just nominated secessionist Perry for governor of Texas on the loon party line. First, this doesn't add to the tax burden. As we pay down the debt and we have this will replace some of that retired debt. Second, we have a backlog of construction and maintenance projects that if unattended to will lead to disaster. Third, Maine needs to put its people back to work supporting their families, and paying taxes. For every dollar spent 1.68 dollars will be added to the Maine economy. Last, What else would you expect from the MHPC than vague statements meant to frighten children and loony party members.
March 3, 2010 at 11:11 AM Report abuse
Dilli_Gaf said...
when you operate in the red, with no chance of making it back to black, why would you think borrowing more money will get you back to black? Sounds like someone who maxed out their credit card, doesn't even pay the minimum monthly payment then ask for a higher credit limit.
March 3, 2010 at 11:18 AM Report abuse
ProConserv said...
These democrats in the Augusta Legislature, you know, the same people you all keep electing, advance their social programs with bonds in hopes that they will maintain their political dominance only and do nothing to permanently solve the problems. They dress these bonds up with terms like “Jobs Bill” to make you think these are good for society and will solve all of our problems! These bonds are nothing more than gussied-up payoffs to constituent groups who, in return, ignore the problems standing in front of them! High unemployment, high taxes, impossible regulation and red tape, huge welfare rolls…etc. This sort of debt lunacy will continue to spiral out of control until we have conservatives elected to the legislature!
March 3, 2010 at 11:32 AM Report abuse
AJ said...
Sherm, I don't know what kind of car you drive but might I suggest trading it for a nice 1987 GMC Suburban that gets 10 mpg? Then you'll be paying more. Would that make you feel better? Something else you might have missed. The sales tax on a gallon of gas goes up every July 1 since our illustrious Legislature indexed it to the rate of inflation several years ago. That way they can say, each year that they didn't "raise taxes" when it suits them.
March 3, 2010 at 12:42 PM Report abuse
JoeSchmoe said...
Borrowing, yet again, under the guise of generating jobs and stimulating the economy is laughable. You do not stimulate anything by borrowing except your debt. I'm surprised they are really trying to pull this off given the current economic environment. Hanna, Lizbeth, if you really want to stimulate our economy and create jobs, lower taxes and increase small business incentives. I see nothing in your proposal that would generate one job in Maine. It may protect some, but creating new jobs is not in your cards. You knew that. Yet you decided to move forward in this attempt to yet again dupe the hard working citizens of Maine. Shame on you! When are you going to stop thinking that Maine citizens are ignorant and unable to make intelligent choices? Wait until November. Perhaps the messages we send then will catch your attention.
March 3, 2010 at 1:10 PM Report abuse
stillstandin said...
We voters have already approved a $71 million transportation bond and this proposal is calling for another 47.5 million for highway projects. When do we get a return for our investment? I believe Mitchell when she ends with, "we are very responsible in our borrowing capacity". What is also clear is that "we" are NOT very responsible in spending.
March 3, 2010 at 1:32 PM Report abuse
HoHum said...
sherman2, the gas tax goes in to the general fund and is nto used for Roads and bridges, thank the D's for that. THey prefer to Bond construction, because it sells or is spun to the voters as jobs, sadly they steal the gas tax monies and use it for DHHS. We all know of cases where the person moves here from another state so they can get benifits, and the surgery that they could not afford at home. After the surgery they go back to the Family out of state. That cut alone and Dirigo would fund the bond they want
March 3, 2010 at 1:49 PM Report abuse
OlderthanDus said...
Jazz11 said "Any country that cannot care for their young, poor and elderly cannot care for their (sic)wealthy for very long" and that is true...however, Maine is not a country, as foreign as our politics and practices are compared to prosperous states, and this BOND doesn't mean the "country" is taking care of its people, it means you and I are saddled with yet another LOAN that Augusta clearly feels we have the ability to repay. It is time for Augusta to learn to live within its means, like the voters do, even when the going gets tough. Why is it not only these legislators, but also way too many voters,forget that THEY work for US??
March 3, 2010 at 1:54 PM Report abuse
Sherman2 said...
Aj !? Why would I drive a 10mpg gas pig and then complain about the price of gas DUH! You are right though the gas tax IS indexed to INFLATION! And NOT to the price of oil products, Asphalt included! Inflation rose 4% while during the fuel crunch the price of asphault rose by 257%. do the math. It has since gone down but the coffers were emptied and the inflation index will never catch up to the increase cost in asphalt. So DOT is always running at a loss, there is no way they can keep up! THE roads will continue to deteriorate! This is not hard to figure guys! It's going to cost money! So keep on complaining about the bad roads and not be willing to pay for them! AND! The gas tax HAS to be dedicated to roads and bridges, it only makes sense! Common sense!
March 3, 2010 at 2:46 PM Report abuse
HoHum said...
Shermie, Like I stated the gas tax is put in the gen fund not for Roads and Bridges...you ask why...ask the D's they are the ones that set it up this way. R's have tried to make changes but get shot down by D's...Cleaning house starts in our own town, clean out the incumbents
March 3, 2010 at 3:13 PM Report abuse
OMG said...
You got two choices,vote them in or vote them out.I think it's time for a mass exitus of incumbents.Bring back the conscious Whigs party!!!
March 3, 2010 at 4:52 PM Report abuse
RickD said...
We are doomed with a Pingree in Washington voting to bankrupt this country, and a Pingree in Maine proposing to do the same. Seems to me that the ability to balance a checkbook should be a minimum requirement for both jobs, or maybe show them where to put their personal guarantee on the loan application.
March 3, 2010 at 4:55 PM Report abuse
RickD said...
We are doomed with a Pingree in Washington voting to bankrupt this country, and a Pingree in Maine proposing to do the same. Seems to me that the ability to balance a checkbook should be a minimum requirement for both jobs, or maybe show them where to put their personal guarantee on the loan application.
March 3, 2010 at 4:59 PM Report abuse
francis58 said...
Now Looka Here I ain't paying no Taxums and Stipends, also having had the opportunity to see a photo of Ms Pingree,Well this Gal Ain't gorgeous nope, and this latest initiative "Is just another excuse" "to pick another man's pocket" besides lets wait until the mid term elections and see how these Rogues contineau their effort to fleece Maine
March 3, 2010 at 5:43 PM Report abuse
Govt2Big said...
Take another look at that breakout: • $47.5 million for highway reconstruction projects. • $20 million to purchase northern Maine rail lines owned by the Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway. • $5 million for passenger rail service in the Lewiston-Auburn area. • $20 million in competitive grants to improve energy efficiency in schools. • $6.7 million for wastewater and drinking water upgrades. As someone said at a meeting this morning, since every single one of those items/services can and should be done by a number of private-sector companies listed in the Maine Yellow Pages, Government should stay out of those areas unless NONE of the money is being used to save govt jobs... but we know it would be. How soon before the November elections?
March 3, 2010 at 5:47 PM Report abuse
heyrube said...
In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. H. L. Mencken
March 3, 2010 at 5:51 PM Report abuse
ProConserv said...
heyrube...I too am glad your not a Republican!
March 3, 2010 at 6:05 PM Report abuse
heyrube said...
heres a couple reasons why, pro Benjamin Disraeli: A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy. John Kenneth Galbraith: The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness and the big one-- John Stuart Mill: Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.
March 3, 2010 at 6:23 PM Report abuse
Babbs said...
"If you are a conservative at age 20 you have no heart, if you are a liberal at age 30, you have no brain." I love Winston Churchill!
March 3, 2010 at 7:25 PM Report abuse
TheSaint said...
Babbs said... "If you are a conservative at age 20 you have no heart, if you are a liberal at age 30, you have no brain." I love Winston Churchill! ******** Me too! He's dead.
March 3, 2010 at 7:56 PM Report abuse
TheSaint said...
Republicon Senator Jim Bunning of Kentucky is quite a piece of work. He votes for the 2003 Medicare Prescription Drug Bill which added $400 billion to the deficit over a 10 year period because it was completely unfunded. Turn the page to 2010 and Bunning's screaming about a $10 billion dollar unfunded emergency bill. I agree most if not all bills should be funded but Bunning's votes are hypocritical and completely two-faced. Leave it to a Republicon two speak two different opinions out of the very same mouth.
March 4, 2010 at 7:13 AM Report abuse
TheSaint said...
two speak two different opinions out of the very same mouth. Oooooooops! ...to speak
March 4, 2010 at 8:58 AM Report abuse
melinuxfool said...
When are they going to realize, we need to stop ALL borrowing. Pay cash for everything from now on. Had we been doing that from the get go, we would not have the economic woes we now face. The people overspent, and the government overspent. The people seem to be learning how stupid it was, but the government continues to spend money it doesn't have. WAKE UP!
March 4, 2010 at 11:20 AM Report abuse
redsox19 said...
Why would people support the government buying a railroad for $20M? We need to create jobs not incur more costs.
March 4, 2010 at 11:56 AM Report abuse
Cat_Lover said...
Of course Republican'ts objected to it. Because with new jobs, less people would need state benefits and then what would they all have to complain about?
March 4, 2010 at 12:37 PM Report abuse
TheSaint said...
I am asking every Republicon in office to do the right thing for this country and the American people. Resign!
March 4, 2010 at 3:48 PM Report abuse
HoHum said...
Saint?? R u serious, Republicans are the problem? I want what you smoke!! Maybe then I could live in the happy place, hang at the methodone clininc and have the state pay for my life
March 4, 2010 at 7:54 PM Report abuse